fix it. that is all the time we have this evening. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. greta van susteren is standing by to go "on the record." greta, take it away. nine million jobs have been lost since obama took office. the country is hanging by a thread here. it's hanging by a thread we're about to lose it. the democrats are the people that need to be seated. obama is about to eliminate opposition, not work with it. i think our ideas will trump obama's ideas every day. >> tonight, rush limbaugh goes on the record in a rare interview, rush tells us, president obama likes scandals. now, our one hour interview with rush limbaugh. talking about the scandal. president obama says the scandals are phony. why do you think he says they're

phony, because he believes it or is there a strategy? >> no, there's a strategy. i've been troubled by something the obama -- i playfully call it the regime, because i know it irritates them. it is a regime. >> here is a man whose policies have done great damage to this country. policies have done great damage to the economy. have done great damage to the american culture, to the american psyche. i mean, there is a malaise, there's a sense of hopelessness and depression out there. and it's his policies that have done this. what has always amazed me is how he's not attached to any of it. he has an agenda, he's been implementing it, but the -- what i call the low information voters who voted for him and other democrats do not associate obama's policies and agenda, with the condition of the country.

the economy or whatever. that's always befuddled me. i've never, never known a president to be immune from economic circumstances at an election as he was in 2012. it all became clear to me, there was a new york times story, i think one of the blog posts on the web back in february. it basically said most people disapprove of the obama agenda, they don't like the direction the country's going, they like him and think he's great for the country. i said, how can that be? intellectually, how can a majority of people -- you know they oppose obama care by 55, 60%. they're worried about jobs, how in the world can they like him, re-elect him and disapprove of everything he's doing? and i came up, i call it the limbaugh fear. you hear other people talking about it in the sense that he's

a bystander president or outside washington, the way he does this, he never appears to be governing, that's why he's constantly campaigning. why is there a campaign going on for obama care? it's already the law of the land. why is he campaigning for all this stuff that's already law? it's already going to happen? my theory is, obama has positioned himself as an outsider, not attached to anything that's happening, what he has made happen, he positions himself as opposed to it, and against it, and fighting for everybody else to overcome what he has done. and that's one of the reasons why the constant campaign. so he doesn't appear to be governing, so he doesn't appear to be part of washington. he appears to have this mysterious powerful bunch of forces that are opposing him and stopping him from creating jobs, stopping him from giving people proper health care, and stopping

them from making their home values go up. and he does that by constantly campaigning, and never seems to be governing. so all of these scandals he calls them -- they're not distraction, they're real. but he likes them because they detract from the absolute reality of what has happened to this country as a result of policies. let's take a look at selling obama care, because i mentioned that. why are you on a campaign to sell obama care? what -- i mean, it's the law. you have an effort by the republicans. two or three of them have defunded. why the campaign? very simple. you go back to 2010. 2010 midterms, the republicans tea party created. cleaned the democrats clocks. you go back and look at the 2010 midterms that was one of the biggest shellacking the republicans had. the democrats lost a total nationwide all the way down the

ballot. it was because of obama care. and the rising debt and the fact that northbound was opposing it. these people show up. now, what they're salivating is winning the house in 2014. if they get that, there's no such thing as a lame duck second term. they won't need a congress. all they are is a rubber stamp, whatever obama wants to do the past two years, sign it, congress rubber stamps it. he can't be stopped. that's why they want it. they remember 2010. he's out there trying to change public opinion on health care so it doesn't replicate in 2014 what happened in 2010. he cannot afford for a bunch of tea party people to show up in 2010, voting against him, and holding the house republicans and maybe winning the senate for the senate. that's one of the reasons he's campaigning. second reason he's campaigning

for it, is simply to continue the notion that he's not of washington. that he's outside fighting against these powerful forces doing everything he can to stand up for the american people. it's the most amazing thing. i've never seen a president get away with four and a half years of not being seen as responsible for anything he's done. when everything that's happened is because of him. he can't be stopped. the republicans don't have any power. all they can do maybe is stop things, but they can't make anything happen. the republicans are totally powerless. in terms of legislation and washington. they have the house. but nothing in the senate, they can't stop him anywhere. yet he's acting like he's got to overcome all of this opposition, and all of these mean people who want to prevent the american people from realizing their dreams. these dastardly republicans, the

phony scandals is just another vehicle to continue the same modus open randy from being cold hearted, extremists, bigots, war on women, homophobes. >> a lot of people are unhappy about the phony scandal. a lot of people hate the irs. in early may he says, this is a serious problem, now it's phony, and it's just a campaign tactic? is that what you're saying? >> he can say whatever he wants, and he's not going to be called on it. i should add he couldn't get away with any of this without a slavish media. in fact, if he's on board with his agenda and trying to help advance it. i've gotten to the point where what he says is irrelevant. so he's out there -- i can give you quotes of what he said in

2002, 2005, 2007 about health care. quotes of what he said about global warming and all these things. what you have to do is watch what he does. he's always going to tell you he's not doing what he's doing. he's always going to position himself as having nothing to do with what's happening. he's always going to position himself as, it's the republicans. they're constantly complaining, wining, i fixed the irs. i fired whoever did this. it's reprehensible. all he has to do is talk about how reprehensible he thinks it is. and that's it. the thing that you have to know is, everybody says i wonder if there's a smoking gun memo? there doesn't need to be one. he hires people, puts them in these places, he knows what they're going to do. there won't be a smoking gun, there doesn't have to be a memo. he doesn't have to give people that work for him instructions or a manual on how to screw the

republicans or stop conservatives, that's what they want to do themselves, plus think want to make him happy. i think it's incredible what's happening. i think it's out of the world incredible we have somebody whose policies have led to the melees and the destruction of the economy. and the hijacking of the health care industry, and he's not held accountable for it. he tells people health care premiums are going to go down $2500, and they think it's true, because he says it. the truth is never presented in the mainstream media, where most of the low information voters get what they think they know. >> why does the media give him a pass on it? why do they not hold him accountable for things he said before. >> they agree with him, they are him. i think they're all part of the elitist new

york/washington/boston media academic corridor, and they think they are obama. same education, same schools, same world view, but there's also, i think -- i've been doing my radio show for 25 years, and it's gotten to the point now where things are starting to repeat, start hearing the same things over and over about the same issues. and you realize that not a whole lot really changes. and the interesting thing to me, i think the explanation, thet a is, in 1988 you had cnn, the three networks, and the newspapers and that was it. there was a media monopoly. my media show starts in 1988. even by 1995, i was still the only conservative national media voice other than some magazines national review and so forth.

it wasn't until 96, 97 that fox came along and the internet blossomed. and i think the media is very -- where they've lost their moon openly. and they're in a competitive situation. i think they get as big a thrill just as all democrats do, of defeating conservatives as they do helping obama. i think we've never lived in a more partisan country. we've never -- the civil war, not included, that was bad. but maybe aside from that, i can't remember a time where it's been more partisan, more divisive and getting worse. and being done on purpose. the division happens on purpose. obama is all about defeating conservatives. that makes him their best friend

and vice versa. >> what happened in 2010, you mentioned 2010? 2014. >> i have no idea, if you look at 2010, there have been a lot of names on the ballot. there wasn't a single republican articulating an agenda. there wasn't a presidential candidate people were rallying around. that 2010 vote was all anti-obama, it was all anti-debt. it was all anti-health care. it was all anti-the democratic party. that's what's got him so bugged about what happened. the people weren't voting for anything in 2010, they were simply saying, ain't no way, no way, don't want any part of this, and so i expected that

same turnout would happen in 2012 and it didn't. >> why? >> that opens up a whole can of worms. that, i think is the problem of the republican party that faces. the people that sat home, if you look at the polling data, it was mostly white republican voters that stayed home. mostly conservative, dissatisfied with the republican party's rejection of conservatism, another nominee they weren't excited about. and it's amazing. the republican party didn't even make an effort to capitalize on that, here you have a national uprising in opposition to barack obama and the republicans acted like they didn't want any part of the tea party either. the consultants and powers that be did everything they could to diminish the republican party. i would have brought them into

the fold and done what i could to keep them as donors as voters. but the republican party had no desire. and i think 2012 and the campaign, some of those republican voters felt that, and saw, okay, if you're not interested in our assistance, and not interested in what we think, and our view of the country, we'll sit at home, the heck with it. >> well, the tea party, if you actually talk to these tea party members, they're not cooks, i mean, they're airline pilots, shop keepers, family members, these are people with regular jobs and yet they're demonized. >> precisely they're demonized because they don't understand the politics. and they're not of washington and they can't be controlled. they can't be nominated by the party. there's an unfortunate thing

happening with the republican party. and as a conservative it appears to me the republican party is trying to push itself away from its conservative base on a number of issues. and i -- it's been a very eye opening thing for me. i always thought that as republicans, we oppose democrats. we wanted to beat them. i don't see that. i don't see any push back against what obama wants to do. the push back is against the tea party, against conservatives. it's a stunning thing, the republican party has decided that ka pit tu lace with the democrats seems to be the ongoing strategy. and by capitulation, i mean, i had a guy call me yesterday talking about this ongoing fight to defund obama care. the caller took the exact

viewpoint of inside the beltway republicans, which is, that might involve a government shut down, and we can't shut down government because the country will hate us, and they cite 1995, and look what happened to republicans after 1995, no, let's go ahead and let obama care be fully implemented and it will implode on itself, and people will see how bad it is. well, that's not a strategy, that's capitulation. that's not even pushing back against it. even if you don't have a chance to stop it? why not make a stand, tell people who you are, as republicans, as conservatives, they've never had a greater chance to contrast who they are, with liberal democrats and what's happening now. instead of doing that, the republican establishment seems to be going along with them. obama care, immigration reform,

amnesty, whatever it is. there's no disagreement, there's no push back on it, i remember in 1992, people would tell me, rush, let him win. and let people see how rotten the democrats are, and that will -- i'm hearing the same thing now, about obama care. let this happen, the american people will -- we've never pulled an entitlement back once it's been implemented. once it's there it's there. this is a huge one, this changes the relationship -- obama care does, between citizen and government, like nothing ever has. once they have this, health care is the way they'll have legitimate control over every aspect of everybody's life, everything you do in your life has health care costs related to it. and it. they're going to be able to dictate what you eat, how you eat, where you eat, and what kind of health care you get or don't get as a result. that's the objective of it, is control. the elimination of individual

liberty and freedom. there's no push back on this. i'm sitting here stunned. the government shut down, 1995, classic point. the republicans won two seats in the senate after the '95 budget smutdown, and didn't lose that many seats in the house. because of the shutdown, they were able to set the table for policy that was good, came later, welfare reform, that clinton ultimately signed, the government shutdown was not a debacle for the republicans in reality. it was on tv, it was in the media. the republicans were accused of starving children. remember that? little kids in new orleans are writing letters to republicans, please don't cut the school lunch program, i can't study if i'm hungry. there were no cuts in the school lunch program, there were actual increases, there were not just

going to be increases as high, so they called it a cut. >> that's a washington cut. >> the media portraying this as a debacle and an absolute disaster for the republicans, and clinton cleaned gingrich's clock. but in reality, the republicans won two seats, set the stage for some pretty good things that happened policiwise after that. it's not a debacle to shut down the government. a majority of people oppose obama care, whatever poll you look at it. why doesn't the republican party want to embrace that? they have a problem, they haven't won elections lately, the majority of the american people don't want this. why doesn't the republican party embrace them. bring them in, and try to grow, at least come out and attach themselves to these people. instead, they're capitulating.

on immigration, amnesty, whatever you want to call it. i swear, for the longest time i didn't understand it, because i was looking at it the wrong way. >> and straight ahead, rush limbaugh has much more to say. and why is rush dead set against compromise in washington? and does he have a better idea to fix the country? rush will tell you. also, guess who rush admires in the republican party. you have to hear his answer. our sitdown interview with rush ♪ how mu protein does your dog food have? 18 percent? 20? new purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so we made purina one true instinct. learmore at purinaone.com

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why does rush limbaugh say he gets so much grief, even from republicans? once again, here's rush limbaugh. >> the republican party wants a new base, they just -- the republican leadership isn't

conservative, they're not particularly crazy about conservatives. i mean, i -- i'm fairly prominent in media, conservat e conservative, i get more grief than the taliban would get. i get more grief than al qaeda gets. and all conservatives do. it's a -- because we do constitute a threat to the way washington views the country. and i don't think it's so much conservative versus liberal, it is. it's washington versus the rest of the country what is really transpiring now, washington has a mind-set and a desire for the country that doesn't dove tail the majority of the american people. >> what is the future of the republican party based on what you say? >> i really don't know. i -- because politics too are predictable. there is -- anything that we're not even conceiving is possible.

a scandal or some such thing can happen, which can cause people to start voting again in droves, regardless of what the republicans do. so it's dangerous to start predicting the demise of political parties. i'm not doing that, i'm just sharing with you the sense i get as a conservative 25 years of doing this, on this show, and watching it all, and so much of it doesn't make any sense. there has to be a reason, these republicans are not stupid. they have to know that agreeing with the democrats on issue after issue after issue is going to equal democrat victory after victory after victory. so why are they doing it? >> is there no room for fleg other yags, bipartisanship, is it just opposition? >> between who? >> between the two parties? are you significanting republicans shun the negotiate and have bipartisan approach with democrats? >> well, yeah, pretty much,

because i don't think we have anything in common with them. where is the commonality. i don't have anything in common with obama policiwise. zilch, zero, nada. compromise is an elite superior form of existence. and too often what it means in washington is that conservatives have to compromise their core in order to be considered nice people or what have you. i'm about defeating them, greta. not compromising with them. compromise is a one way street. why doesn't the press ever ask obama or any democrats, why don't you -- are you willing to compromise. what are you willing to give up. it's always a one way street? what do the republicans have to do to make something work. the reason it works on the republicans, they're shell

shocked. republicans -- the image of racist, sexist, bigot homophobe, it takes hold. i think they've lost their confidence, i think they're nervous, they're scared, like everyone else they want to be loved and they have bought into this notion of why they're hated and disliked. they're trying to change that, rather than defeat the people responsible for it all. i'm about defeating them, within the political arena of ideas. i'm not talking about anything of a deliterious nature, just defeat them. i think our ideas the trump obama's every day. he doesn't want about our ideas. he's about brute force. i think the democrats are the people that need to be defeated. there's nothing about what they believe that i want to compromise with. i wab the to defeat it. the country's hanging by a

threat here. it's hanging by a thread. we're about to lose it. why compromise with the people responsible for this? coming up, we ask rush limbaugh what he thinks of the not guilty verdict in the george zimmerman trial. first, who does rush limbaugh admire in republican this day calls you. to fight chronic osteoarthritis pain. to fight chronic low back pain. to take action. to take the next step. today, y will know you did something for your pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is a pain reliever fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can helpeduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. anti-depressants can increase these in children,oung adul. cymbalta inot for children under 18. people taking maois, linezolid or thioridazine or with

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. tonight rush limbaugh going on the record in a rare one on one interview. rush limbaugh taking us inside the battle for the republican party. >> who do you admire in republican politics and why? >> i admire any who are bold enough and brave enough to speak about what they truly believe. ted cruz is one, sarah palin is another. any of them who are fearless and have the courage of their convictions and have no

kpunktion about saying it. they firmly believe what has to be done and are willing to stand behind it, those are the people i admire. >> what are the chances those people would get a nomination in the republican party? probably not big? >> i don't -- why would that be the case? >> because they are outside the mainstream of republican politics as you outlined it. >> well, i don't think the ma mainstream republican politics can't be beat. there's a battle for the party going on, it would be a tough battle, but there's no other option. you don't want to go third party. that just ensures the democrats are a majority party forever. you don't want to do that, so you have to do what you can to work within the republican party to take it over. i think the right conservative candidate can score -- reagan did did.

i know a lot of people. can you stop talking about reagan? there's only one of them. but reagan is a real life example of what can be done, and what happens when a prominent conservative triumphs. the country and the democratic party set out trying to revise history about him, and destroy his reputation and image and so forth. it's a never ending battle. great, a lot of people are probably saying why, why are republicans and conservatives so disliked? i mean, the real battle, folks, that i think is going on is, on the one hand the country is founded with liberty and freedom. and the government is a servant versus another view, which says the government is all powerful and everything is the people who are servant's. that's what the battle is right now. i tell you an interesting story if i have time. >> you do.

>> a media person wrote a story on me about how i am losing. i am failing. my radio audience wouldn't crack the top ten of tv shows and so forth. i said, look at how i'm being measured, i'm a guy on the radio. i'm being measured against people who can give people health care? who can give people tax cuts, who can give people food stamps, who can give people cell phones. i can't give anybody anything. i can't give them food, i can't give them cell phones, a tax break. i can't -- i can't do anything for anybody, like obama can. the democrats can buy as many votes as they want, and republicans who want to get on that game can too. why am i being measured against politicians who have real power? i don't have any power. i have -- i'm a guy on the

radio. i'm in the arena of ideas and i true to do as good a show as i can. this writer, i've failed, i've bombed out, i've seen my better days. obama's beating me left and right. i'm a guy on the radio, but why are they putting me in this arena? why is a guy on the radio being measured against people who have their hands on a budget of $3 trillion urgs and the reason is, i happen to be an articulate spokesman of the opposing point of view. and whenever an articulate spokesman of the owes posing point of view, which is government first, last and always, that spokesman's got to be discredited, taken down, it's a massive fight, the forces that believe government should be the center of everybody's universe are massive and big. the democratic party wants government to use it as a weapon against their enemies.

the idea they want to use it to help people. look at the people they've been helping for 50 years, 30 years, they're in no better shape than when the democrats first took them under their wing. under reagan and conservative governors and so forth. people prosper economically. they overcome odds, they're turned loose. and they're not shackled by government laws, power, controls and what have you. but the forces of government control are massive and large and they can buy votes and they can buy goodies, and they can play santa claus, i can't. coming up, rush limbaugh talks unemployment, poverty and immigration. and why he says the democrats are making it all worse. ♪ ♪

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we're talking one on one with rush limbaugh. he has plenty to say about the economy and jobs. >> in the arena of ideas, what will you do to solve a problem like detroit.

or even something bigger like the incredible growing class of poor people? >> well, which do you want to do first? >> either? >> detroit, what happened there? why did it go wrong. the city's been run by democrats unchecked since the last republican mayor was 1957, okay? you've had that -- that town has been a petrie dish of everything the democratic party stands for, everything the democratic party loves. massive unions, massive pensions, pay people pensions and health care long after they've stopped working. the math doesn't add up. you have massive welfare states where citizens are given things left and right in order to buy their votes. you have no opposition whatsoever, and in the case of -- you throw race into the

mix and you bring on mayor coleman young who causes riots in 1967 in detroit and mayor young caused a white flight to suburbia, and detroit is left with nothing but liberal democrats running it. it is what it is. and you -- any place in this country that has similar circumstances, the same fate is going to happen to them. now, what was your thing about poverty? >> poverty, lbj said the war on poverty, we're going to have legislation to try to eradicate the -- poverty is growing, it's not getting better, there are a lot of people suffering. >> imagine that. and it's been the number one issue of the democratic party out of the mouths for -- since 1964, when lbj first started to care about poverty. percentagewise, same number of people. under obama, it's gotten worse, four out of five american families are experiencing poverty. nine million jobs have been lost

since obama took office. 9 million. they're just gone. >> so -- >> because of his policies. the arena of ideas, this is why the republican party is not standing up. they're not pushing back, they're not articulating what is the opposite of this. one of the things. you can point to successful people all over the country, no matter how successful, there are different levels of it, you point to them, how did they do it? that's all you have to do. how did they do it? >> there are recipes, they cared, they worked hard, they had ambition, they learned what had he had to learn. some of them may have had connections here and there, nobody does everything by themselves. you're not going to eradicate poverty by creating dependency. all it is is a way to buy votes, that's why the democrats want amnesty. the democratic party needs a permanent underclass. they need a certain level of poverty, they need a certain

level of uneducated hopeless, unskilled people to vote for them. that's their base. and as -- in a normal economy as those people escape the bonds of poverty and rise to the middle class, they become more self-reliant, they don't need santa claus, they don't need the democrats. amnesty, we have 11 million illegals here, by polling data alone, 8 million of them are going to vote democrat the minute they're given the chance. that's why. all the solidarity with hispanics and compassion, it's all bs. the democratic party needs a permanent underclass, and they need this -- they're salivating at all those 8 million or more votes. now, you might say, but, rush, the immigration bill has been debated. doesn't preempt the right to vote for 14 years. you know what's going to happen,

say this law. we bring them out of the shadows. and about five hours after that happens, chuck schumer's going to go near a camera to talk about how unfortunate and unfair, and how lacking in kbags it is that we have just told these people they're on the pathway to citizenship, but they can't vote. we have to do something about that, they're going to be able to vote within six months after this thing, that's what -- on the republican side, unfortunately, there is this -- there's thinking that there's certain work that people simply won't do, that needs to be done. the american people, democrat voters that become conditioned to not working, look at poverty. you brought it

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>> greta: now more with rush limbaugh. >> i see the education system in this country is on such a downward spiral. i see poverty growing. and i know from my own experience that these families in these terrible urban areas want their children to grow up and have a lot of chance. it looks grim and horrible. i'm trying to think how do we get ourselves out of it? it's getting worse, not better. >> first thing that is going to have to happen, you've got

to stop electing democrats. the democrat party is responsible for this. this is what the democrat party derives power from and feeds off of. they run the education system. you just described it. you're right. you just described it. they're not teaching. they're indoctrinating and turbing little young skulls full of mush into loyal, rabid liberal democrats who are being trained to also hate and despise conservatives and republicans. it's all part of the mix. >> greta: do you think president obama likes his job? >> i have no idea. i don't know him. i've never spoken to him. and i don't know how to read those kind of people just watching him. all i can do is read what other people have written about how he doesn't show up early or whatever. i read people say the job is

beneath him. he needs to be running the world. to be challenged. to be invigorated. united states is chump change. he needs to be in the united nations. he needs to be running the whole shebang. i don't know what is true. i think he does. and he is relishing the opportunity to put into play what leftists have only dreamed about in faculty lounges for 50-75 years. i think he's thrilled with the opportunity he has to trance form america. and move ate way from this unjust, immoral way it was founded. and make it fair for everybody. i mean whatever he's trying to do to it. i do think he's probably obsessed with that whether he likes getting up and going to work and dealing i don't think he likes having opposition. it's beneath him. he doesn't want to negotiate

with opponents and wipe them out. but in the political sense, just get rid of them. that is his modus operandi. i don't think he likes the process like dukakisis did. >> [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz summer event is here. now get the unmistakable thrill... and the incredible rush... of the mercedes-benz you've always wanted. ♪ but you better get here fast...

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>> greta: we asked rush limbaugh what he thinks about the acquittal of george zimmerman. >> i was shocked to tell you the truth and surprised by it. i thought the makeup of the jury and the condition of american pop culture and the fear of unrest would cause the jury to say do you know what? let's come up with some form of guilty and get out of here. and i was really proud. they looked at the evidence and they said, this case has been overcharged and the prosecution didn't prove anything. the defense enended up proving

it. i was happy about it but prepared for a verdict that had nothing to do with the law. forces persuasive forces had been trying to get people up in the sheriff's office running psas and please don't riot like saying please don't think pink. what are you thinking? there were people who were subtlely encouraging civil unrest. and i thought the jury would be aware that have and not -- it's a small town. who wants to live in that kind of circumstance? i thought they'd say the simplest way is come up with a little bit of it. one guy. but they didn't. it was really, i think uplifting. >> greta: rush has mer to say about the zimmerman trial and race relations in america. you can see that right here on the record friday night at 10:00 p.m.

eastern. don't miss it. right now go to gretawire.com and let us know what you think about the interview with rush limbaugh. thanks for joining us tonight. go to gret why wire.com. good night from washington. orno. the financial factor is done. hi, i'm juan williams with andrea tantaros, david webb, dana perino, and my man, greg gutfeld. he is here. it is 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." race has been the topic over the last couple weeks, but if we're going to do this right, if we're going to have an honest discussion among people that care about the problems inside the black community, we have to be dealing with honest brokers. unfortunately a lot of people in the so-called civil rights community are frauds, two of the worst, al sharpton, michael